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A tornado warning was issued for Johnson County, MO at 5:07pm on Saturday and expired at 5:30pm. When the warning was first issued there was a couplet or signature of rotation on LIVE ESP, after about 5-10 minutes this rotation weakened. Some damage was reported near/in Holden. If the damage was a result of a tornado it will be the first in Missouri to be classified under the new Enhanced Fujita Scale!
**Update from the NWS**
Just after 4:30 PM, an isolated supercell thunderstorm developed over eastern Cass county and tracked northeast toward Johnson county. As this storm crossed a warm front draped across the area, an initial radar signature of strong winds estimated at 50 mph began to organize into an area of strong rotation with the storm.
Shortly after, a tornado was spotted by Johnson County Emergency Management, and then by an off duty National Weather Service Employee. Early reports indicate that this tornado produce structural damage to homes and businesses in and around Holden. A National Weather Service survey team will be dispatched Sunday morning to determine the size and intensity of this tornado.
Posted by jnelson at February 24, 2007 5:48 PM
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I'm very disappointed with this "storm". Yes it's very impressive and I know its causing a lot of problems for folks in the upper Midwest and the southern states, but all the activity seems to have been AROUND Johnson county KS. All we had was about 3 to 4 hrs of on-again-off-again rain this morning between 3 and 7am. A small t-storm with a few BRIEF downpours and that was it. I'm glad we had what we did but the hype about this storm left the impression we would see a few outbursts here and there. Nothing! We were dry-slotted. ALL the storms today went right around us. Very frustrating.
Regards,
Kris Wells
Olathe, KS
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Kris,
I think the storm lived up to its billing...but maybe not in your backyard. Around the metro and beyond there were 2-3 rounds of showers and thunderstorms today. Some snow on the way tonight, and maybe the first ever tornado for Missouri using the Enhanced Fujita Scale. I guess so far things have gone around your location.
Jeremy
Posted by: Kris Wells at February 24, 2007 6:20 PM
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Guys, you all have done a GREAT job, but prepare to eat a bit of crow on the severe weather. Yes, you all stated it would occur, but strongly refuted the SPC, and others indicating it would be near us or even in our viewing area...all in Oklahoma/Texas I remember hearing, and yes it is there too...I do appreciate however sticking to your guns and not flopping...you didn't believe it would happen, and freakishly enough, it did. It happens. I think this storm was underestimated. Granted, very little convection/instability, but mega/abnormal lift and sheer seems to overcome!
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Scott,
I thought the likelihood was very low for something to happen. I kept saying if some sun would reach the area this would boost the chance of severe weather. One thing that did surprise me was the severe weather occurred east of the metro.
Jeremy
Posted by: Scott at February 24, 2007 6:56 PM
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Jeremy:
Good evening to you!! Temps. here in SW Lawrence have dropped to about 43 degrees and the winds have shifted to the west-we are still under clear skies but can see the clouds reforming to the west.
Well, had some very beneficial rains today; now, time to see what the back side brings us!!! No matter what, I'm hooked!!! Again, satelite imagery has been spectacular today!!!!
Bill waithing for the wind in Lawrence
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Bill,
The winds of change are blowing!
Jeremy
Posted by: Bill Gollier at February 24, 2007 7:09 PM
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I would tend to agree with Kris....besides the brighest most well defined rainbow I have ever seen, this storm has not been all that impressive to me. The radar has consistently had breaks in the rain and snow. I am completely let down by this storm.
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Brian,
Let down by an almost 29.00" low? I know...not everyone saw what they wanted, but this is one intense storm you have to admit!
Jeremy
Posted by: Brian Kirk at February 24, 2007 7:12 PM
Jeremy,
Is that EF-2 I just heard concerning the New Orleans tornado a couple of weeks ago the new Enhanced Futjia Scale? What is the difference between the new and the old scale?
Also, I loved that overlay you had to show the inbound and outbound air flows for the tornadoes. I thought I saw one of you use it on Weather Plus on Friday. Very beneficial. Overall, I thought the team did a great job.
I know I asked in the past about getting Weather Plus on DirecTV. We do have DirecTV. However, we're still able to see it. Anybody who has DirecTV and wants to check out WeatherPlus just has to purchase an over-the-air antenna and plug it into their receiver. Our antenna is a Phillips antenna which we purchased for just $25 at Circuit City. It sits on a small ledge behind our TV, out of view from everybody but still providing me the Weather Plus. I'm sure that others whose cable systems to not have it would still be able to get the same antenna to receive it. If they have any questions, they can e-mail me at mpurtill@kc.rr.com.
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Matt,
Glad you are able to check out ESP!
Here is the info on the new Fujita scale.
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/efscale/
Jeremy
Posted by: Matt P at February 24, 2007 7:16 PM
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I live just 6 miles west of Holden. The "tornadic" storm that came by produced some very ominous clouds. I was on my computer at 5 PM when the lights were acting very strange. They would get really bright and then get dim. After a couple minutes, the lights went off for good. Then when I stepped outside to see what the weather was doing, I looked to the east, southeast, and it did indeed looked like the clouds were trying to rotate. My fear was confirmed when the weather radio went off. Hopefully this isn't a sign of the severe weather season ahead of us, but am preparing for a more active season compared to last year!!
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Kimberley,
I'm glad to hear you are ok and the possible tornado stayed away from your home. If you know of anyone who took pictures of the tornado or clouds please pass them along!
Thank you for the report!
Jeremy
Posted by: Kimberley at February 24, 2007 7:32 PM
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Jeremy, pressure that low for a storm is really only interesting to us geeks. LOL..otherwise people want fireworks and big funnels near by, but not in their backyards! I love storms both on a macro and micro level..and think this storm was very cool to watch.
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Scott,
This storm had a lot of aspects to think about. I really thought the initial line near Emporia would produce more in the way of severe weather. The NWS has some nice velocity images of the tornado from today.
Jeremy
Posted by: Scott at February 24, 2007 7:55 PM
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Jeremy, first thought..wait for this to come back early April. That will be a spotting night. Second thought, the NWS has been stepping up in presenting cool stuff of their website. The images are very nice. The fourth slice really shows the hook. Obviously, the SRV grabbed this nicely.
Side note, earlier as these were coming through, here in Lees Summit, it was nice to finally see some spring time clouds. Loved the mammotus, and was able to see some signs of turbulence/drafting..just nothing organized. It was a blast. Good to shake the rust off of the spotting. I get the feeling I will be doing more this year. Signs of more to come. This is my first real year with the LRC, so this spring will be a hoot.
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Scott,
I guess we did predict this storm before anyone else...I kind of forgot about the LRC with all the happenings today. Telling people in early January to get ready for a big storm on Feb. 25...you gotta love that!
Jeremy
Posted by: Scott at February 24, 2007 8:24 PM
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Dear weather team.
Can you help me set up my barometer it is never correct becusse it is callobrated to sea level.it is mounted on a oregon scientific weather station.I know we are not at sea level we are like 900 feet or so above sea level.total rain fall from last night to this evenning was 0.71 in.In Kansas city kansas.it is also very foggy it is hard to see the house acroos the street.
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Brent,
Thanks for the rain total! I would ask Gary or Jeff about this...I've never had set up a barometer before. Or better yet...call Oregon Scientific...if they have a customer service number.
Jeremy
Posted by: Brent Hickman at February 24, 2007 8:27 PM
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I think what is going on when some people say the the storm isn't as intense as expected in their backyard is this: It hit us dead on, with midlatitude storm systems thier main effects are typically some distance form the center so as the storm is/was reaching peak strength it was right on top of us, but most of the "action" was all around us so actually I think that we would have had a more wild day if the storm was either further south or further north, if further south we would have had steadier rain/snow AND the winds would have stayed up, and if it went further south, no snow BUT stronger winds and stronger storms although with a bit less rain, in short, if you want to experience the intense weather of a big low, then you don't want it RIGHT ON YOU when it's at it's peak strength. Just look at the NWS web page with all the advisories/watches/warnings over the country St. Joe is/was surrounded by some sort of advisory or warning/watch in a 360 degree circle but technically we were and still arn't under any advisory whatsoever.
Thanks for your time.
Nick in (Rainy again) St. Joe!:)
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Nick,
Good take on the storm. In 1998 I was under a storm that I think set the state record for lowest pressure in either MN or WI. I was living in Madison, WI at the time and winds gusted to around 58 mph in November(non-thunderstorm winds). La Crosse, WI had hurricane force winds! The pressure dropped below 29.00"! The storm was almost overhead...I think Madison had a little rain and a dusting of snow. But LOTS of wind!
Jeremy
Posted by: Nick Rau at February 24, 2007 8:28 PM
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Jeremy-
I'm very happy that the severe weather didn't happen in the immediate Metro, unlike some other people that comment on this site, I don't like the risk of me or anyone I know to get hurt or worse by storms. Thanks for the good coverage on this event.
Jenny
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Jenny,
Thanks for the post. I think some people want to see severe weather...until it gets in their backyard!
Jeremy
Posted by: Jenny Lane at February 24, 2007 8:40 PM
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Hey Team:
I think you did a good job with this storm. You thought the severe weather would go south, well it did go south of Kansas City. :-) Also, I will not mention other stations, but they over hyped the severe weather, and then when it happend they were bragging on the air "We told you so," which I think is bad PR. You guys are pretty good about not doing that most of the time.
Gary focsued on every asspect of this storm, while others wavered back and fourth, and just talked about severe weather.
I do not why so many forecasters do not belevie in Gary's LRC. There is something to it. This storm was different than the last, but hello, that is part of his theory. It is not like every storm will be 100% a clone of each other.
This storm has casued plenty of problems (as some folks have already said.) I think it was a good forecast. I just hope we get a little bit of snow at least one more time.
Keep up the great job guys! If anything, this storm will be a bust as it moves north east and weakens. I know that the NWS in Michigan has Winter Storm Warnings out, for 4-8 inches of snow, but I think much less will fall as the storm weaknes. Hopefully, they will drop them.
Later,
Brian Overland Park.
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Brian,
Thank you for your positive feedback. Overall I'm happy with how today played out. You take the one warning out of the mix and we would have been perfect...but perfect forecast days are tough. Today alone I saw other sources crack when the storms weren't firing saying it looks like this might not happen or this excuse or that excuse. I'm happy with our approach to the storm and feel most other would agree.
We learn something from every storm and try to keep that in our mind for the future.
I agree when it comes to Gary's theory...how can someone predict 2 major storms(after the pattern was realized) in December and be right on? Not by simply guessing...it doesn't happen that way. Gary figured out a way to predict the long range weather pattern and I truely feel others are jealous. But that's another rant for another day.
Jeremy
Posted by: Brian at February 24, 2007 9:01 PM
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Jeremy, My guage here in Olathe is showing .75, what a nice soaking. The way the radar is looking the snow part of this storm is not looking like much around here huh? This afternoon when the sun came out after the rain and the birds were chirping it hit me, only 37 days until opening day at the K! Peace, out. Greg.
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Greg,
I'm looking forward to catching a few games at the K this year. I'm treating my dad to Crown Seats for the Twins/Royals game later in the season. I heard it is a GREAT experience!
Jeremy
Posted by: Greg at February 24, 2007 9:11 PM
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I have some great photos of t-storm to the south of me (grain valley), but I did not see a link for me to post them. Do you have a link for posting weather photos?
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Josh,
Just send them to...
jnelson@nbcactionnews.com
or
glezak@nbcactionnews.com
Posted by: Josh at February 24, 2007 9:17 PM
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Interesting that there was actually enough instability to produce a tornado (no matter how short-lived)today. I would not have thought that there was nearly enough warm air inflow to the low to generate a tornadic storm.
I find myself wondering what our chances are for a very rowdy spring....
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David,
This spring may be quite active. Gary is going to post his spring forecast in the upcoming weeks.
Jeremy
Posted by: David G at February 24, 2007 9:28 PM
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Is thing going to produce any snow in the area?
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A little snow...maybe 0.5" in the metro...around 1" by St. Joe
Jeremy
Posted by: Brian Kirk at February 24, 2007 9:33 PM
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Good Morning Weather Team!!!!
Currently sitting at about 31 here in SW Lawrence-it is just a bit windy LOL-Ok, it is flat out windy!!!! Had some lt. flurries blowing around at about 5:45 this morning. I'm not sure what our gusts have been but I would guess some close to 35 MPH early this morning.
Looks like on satelite this morning that the storm has kind of blown itself out as the greatest mositure is quite a distance from the center and it has really wrapped some warmer air into the Eastern Side (I think Davenport Iowa is close to 40 this morning)
We wound up with close to 3/4 of an inch of rain here which we desperately needed and I am quite happy with no severe weather-like I said, since moving here 3 years ago from KC I have had a tornado and microburst in my backyard so that is enough!!! Thanks so much for providing a great place to follow this storm and to offer comments-it was an awesome experience as always and all the comments that you took the time to make are greatly appreciated!!! What a storm to follow-I saved a bunch of those satelite images from yesterday-it was sure something (including the dust in Texas!!)
Have a great day!!
Bill in Lawrence
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Bill,
The storm continues to pull off to the NE. The winds will continue today...with a little sunshine working in by this afternoon. Stay warm!
Jeremy
Posted by: Bill Gollier at February 25, 2007 6:43 AM
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Woke up this morning with about an inch to and inch and a half of snow in St. Joe!!!
It is plastered to the trees/power lines and most other objects, but didn't stick on the roads very much and it is still windy with flurries!!!!
Thanks for your time.
Nick in (WHITE) St. Joe!
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Nick,
Thanks for the report! The forecast worked out well for you...but we only saw trace amount in the metro and most other areas near KC. Even with temps in the mid 30s today your snow will probably have a hard time sticking around.
Jeremy
Posted by: Nick Rau at February 25, 2007 9:46 AM
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Hi, This storm was very disapointing. I did not see one flake of snow. I did not even hear thunder and not even one little snowflake is on the ground. Is there any tiny little chance the there could possibly be just one more tiny snowstorm? it seems like spring is coming too fast I know some people like it though
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Brent,
I'm not sure where you live, but almost all locations saw at least flurries. When I was driving to work this a.m. there some cars with a little snow on them if they were out overnight. A brief, but intense snow band pushed through abour 6-6:30am. The snow didn't stick to the ground in KC. I hear what you are saying about the storm...especially if you wanted snow.
We need to keep a close eye on the mid-week storm. The precip. chances will likely be upper to at least 50% later today.
Jeremy
Posted by: Brent at February 25, 2007 9:51 AM
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